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RichC
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:30:15 AM Quote
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Thanks for all your comments on other threads...
I have put this here as the other posts were in unrelated sections of the forum.
After a couple of complaints ,, i had a further consultant appt yesterday.. and this time he did the consultation fully and explained everything.

He actually explained , as i had suspected , that they still were not sure it was RA , hence the cessation of the MTX and Leflu. This despite a comment when diagnosed August 2010 that "there is no doubt it is RA"
I asked about anti ccp , and he stated that WEST Kent PCT does not use it due to cost.

I stated that i had contacted NRAS who were very surprised at the cessation , especially without explanation , to which he replied , ignore them they are only a social group [some further education needed there me thinks ].
I replied , " the only information i have received from you is an MTX leaflet and it is impossible to contact either yourself or the nurse". No reply to that one.

After actually asking me' for a change, he wrote out a prescription for MTX ramping up to 20 mg and also Hydroxychloroquinine , however on me advising him that i had hand and lower spine MRI's next week , WE decided to put it on hold [note the use of the word we!]. Due to severe daily disabling headaches and neck pain i have also been booked in for a MRI of my neck.

If MRI's show synovitis or other damage by RA then we will hit it with the above cocktail . If not then some less toxic drug .
I expressed concerns that i wouldn't get results of MRI until an appointment 6 months in the future , and he made a follow up there and then for 14th November [i will believe it when it comes in writing].

So all is up in the air again , however at least i am being listened to and things are explained . Care plan ???? what is a care plan ..lol
It was a good consultation despite the fact i feel i am back to where i was two years ago , at least things are being explained and i am fully informed .. Can't ask for more than that .. [other than an ant-ccp test]

On the anti CCP test ... West Kent PCT do not use it across the board due to economic issues , and the Royal College of Physicians report in 2009 [forms basis of NICE guidelines) appears to recommend it but consider the costs.
I am wondering , since anti ccp is a more RA specific test , and considering the cost involved in getting me to this point[and with further MRI's just to get a diagnosis] that maybe in my case anti-ccp would have been a cost effective option [apparently it costs about double that of RA Factor test.]

Anyway , depite all that is the most productive session i have had there :)

From RCP report on RA for NICE guidelines.....


Quote:
Although anti-CCP antibodies are more specific than rheumatoid factor, this difference is not
great, and sensitivities seem very similar. Recommendations on anti-CCP also need to be
informed by health economic analysis to determine whether the extra cost and increased
specificity render this test cost-effective (please refer to section 4.2.7 and 4.2.8), either for all early
inflammatory arthritis, or for sub-groups (eg RA suspected, but rheumatoid factor negative).
Rheumatoid factor remains a relatively cheap and useful test in undifferentiated synovitis that is
helpful both diagnostically and prognostically.

After much deliberation, it was decided that x-rays of the hands and feet in early synovitis are
worthwhile, because although this is a blunt instrument in detecting joint inflammation, there are
occasions when erosive damage will be detected when all other tests are normal, and it also acts
as a readily accessible base-line for future determinations of disease progression. As ultrasound
and small joint MRI become more widely available, the long-term significance of some of the
early inflammatory and erosive changes that have been described using these imaging modalities
should become apparent and they may replace x-rays.


Full document CG79 Full Document


I feel a letter to the PCT coming on ;) hehe


Rich :)
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
sheila_G
#2 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:08:42 AM Quote
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Hi Rich

Everything you say rings true with me and I am sure a lot of other people on the forum but, like you say, at least you are being listened to now. I hope you get your early appointment in november without having to climb through hoops to get it. I can't help but defend the rheumatology depts to a certain extent because we all know that there aren't enough resources in this area and indeed all areas of the NHS at the moment. I do hope you get sorted out very soon.

Sheila x
dgordon
#3 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2011 10:12:06 AM Quote
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Hi Rich, its shocking that you have to go to these lengths. You replied to my post about my consultant which I thank you for. I also raised with my consultant about contacting him. In the summer I had a nasty flare up which lasted for weeks and I was agony with my feet and ankles but my GP wasn 't interested in even looking at them and said although they were happy to give me a steroid injection I had to contact my consultant who could then give them the go ahead.......but I couldn't get in touch with them and I ended up just struggling on. My fear is things are just going to get worse with the NHS. My brother who is in his twenties has recently spent three weeks in hospital with a fractured skull and bleed on the brain, we made sure we were with him from morning to night to make sure he got the care he needed because it just wasn' t there. There wasn't any communication without demanding it. Same with my mother-in-law she has been in for two weeks.
suzanne_p
#4 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:28:48 PM Quote
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hi Rich,

pleased to hear you had a satisfactory Consultation although it must be frustrating in not knowing if you do actually have RA or not after all this time.

by what you say the Consultant was going to put you back on Methotrexate and Hydroxy, but now going to wait till the MRI Scans .. so it does seem that it is pointing towards RA..?

i hope things move quickly for you once the Scan results are known. having been on the Forum for over a year it really seems to be a lottery with Rheumatology Departments, i have never had to struggle for an appointment with the Consultant she states when she wants to see me next i.e. 3 to maybe 4 months and i make an appointment as i leave the Hospital.

i also have good access to my Rheumy Nurse. if i can't get her on the day i phone if i need her she will call back with 24 hours and if she feels i need to be seen then she books me into her diary within a week.

i can understand reluctance to start on Methotrexate again if you suffer with bad headaches not exactly what you want is it,

i did have a few months wait with my PCT for funding for Anti-TFN .. but my Rheumy nurse was pushing them along weekly.

i know you feel no further forward in some ways but it does seem that once things are sorted then a plan of action with your drugs will be on the cards pronto,

hope this is the case as you must be feeling pretty low,

do keep us updated and fingers crossed for you,

Suzanne x

Naomi1
#5 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:21:11 PM Quote
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Dear Rich
Keep us posted on your progress. I am especially interested in your MRI result re the neck pain and headaches. I began to get severe one sided headaches about 18 months ago. They come and go, sometimes lasting for weeks on end. They always affect the back of the head behind the ear and sometimes reach right over the side of the head to the eye. I get eyeball pain too on the same side. I had an MRI (this was long before I was tested for RA) and it showed osteoarthritis in the neck. I am still getting the headaches but I think they are somehow connected to the RA. Could be wrong but that's what I suspect.

Just a thought but have you had a diagnostic ultrasound of your joints? I did not have the typical swelling and redness of RA and my consultant therefore thought I had lupus at first. It was the ultrasound scan which finally confirmed a diagnosis of RA for me.

It's a bit disconcerting isn't it when they keep changing their minds about your diagnosis? Also quite worrying that they think you need such a potent drug one minute and not the next....and then you need it again. I'm not criticising them at all as I'm sure they are making decisions on the best available evidence.

I'll keep a lookout for your posts and good luck with your forthcoming tests. Best wishes from Naomi.
madam butterfly
#6 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:07:13 AM Quote
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Rich, i have been reading your posts, i am so sorry you are going through this, i hope when test results come back and you have a diagnosis, you will then be put on the relevant drugs, i come away after my appointments( with diffrent registrar each time) thinking that either they dont care or are not listening or dont know what they are talking about, i wish i could afford to go private maybe it makes a difference?Huh


Anyhow Rich, be aware that we all hope that its sorted soon.ThumpUp

Anne-m xxx
dorat
#7 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:04:49 AM Quote
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Hi Rich,

Good to see that you are getting some action at last! Hope you can get a definite diagnosis soon.
Like Anne-Marie, I also come away from appointments (when I get them....haven't seen a consultant for 4 years) feeeling they don't care and are not interested, we are just names on a list.
And yes, care plans.......what are they?

Doreen xx

jenni_b
#8 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:11:12 AM Quote
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Hi

The thought occurs to me in the current age of 'choice'
Can you choose to go to another pct to fund the anti ccp
It's a blood test
A pricy one
But a blood test

An MRI is about £1000 private and a anti ccp is about £100 private from memory
If Nhs costs are comparable it's seems a no brainer to me

I found my mp very helpful in the past when pointing out what hospitals should provide...

Jenni xx
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amandalewin
#9 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2011 7:58:47 PM Quote
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That's crazy re CCP- I mean surely everyone dx with RA is entitled to one....


Sorry you're experiencing these trials.

Amanda
Julia17
#10 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:53:30 PM Quote
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When I was getting absolutely nowhere with the NHS regarding diagnosis some two years ago now I had a private consultation. The consultant didn t actually think I had RA but thought it best to have the anti CCP inorder to eliminate it from the future prognosis. It cost me about £55.00, he rang me back two days later and said it was 98% positive and that I had RA.

Julia
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